it's going to take a long time for them to start to adapt to the changes in technology. these were innovators a decade or two ago and now they have become those companies that it's very hard for them to move the need. think about them trying to turn a cruise liner around in the hudson river. going to go back and forth and get very little progress here. i think that's what you look at for these companies in 2013. the analysts, unfortunately, have loved them. lots of mutual funds hold them, and when they start to underperform i think we're going to see those people move away from those large technology companies, and quite frankly i think that's a bad thing for right now for microsoft, hewlett-packard and intel. we just aren't seeing innovation, and yet people still love them. >> i want to just ask you actually, chris, with respect to microsoft, because on "street signs," it was one of my predictions for 2013 that microsoft will continue to lose relevance. it's fighting too many battles, and in some cases losing battles and enterprise and mobile, in pcs as well. >> absolut